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Saturday, February 13 2021 - 1:44 AM
By: Neoriceisgood

The thing about gold.

Subtle but important difference.

24592: A Loquacious Theorizer - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 2:04 AM

Blackcrystal: stops magic usage on contact.
Gold: is immune to magic, possibly makes things it touch immune to magic as seen by the gold lined sword and cloaks, spirit users can escape becoming it, speed being variable.
What would happen if a spirit user became blackcrystal?

24594: TheMegax - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 6:27 AM

So we have a metal that is immune to magic, a gem that inhibits magic , a blood amulet that withdraws magic from another user and an unknown method that turns regular people into full blown magic users. But I wonder if there's something that enhances magic of a natural magic user's spells or spirit. It would have... interesting implications.

24595: Violet - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 9:50 AM

Make like the Royal Guard and pour black crystal down their throat. Be careful not to drink it yourself!

24596: Whispers of Sorrow - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 12:05 PM

Seems simple enough: Drag the enemy wizard behind the bike shed and start gently chastising until the cats are sent away. This is a battle, not a game of tiddlywinks.

We could really do with Ciel's input on this situation, given the number of moving parts involved - Noah of course, is deliberately ignoring her, while happily stealing her credit... it's Ciel the empire would really want isn't it? Oh granted, Noah has his power, but he won't use it and the empire doesn't seem to know about it, not for certain.

But is there any way Veda could cut out the middle Noah and gain direct access to Ciel? And maybe take control of his power as a bonus? Are they even aware of the possibility? It'd be easier if Ciel were in contact with them...

I have to say, if Ciel *does* find a way to conspire against Noah, he'll *really* have earned it. She may have no desire to rebel, but he's bending over backwards to provoke her.

24597: UnknownID - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 1:47 PM

@Whispers of Sorrow But Noah and his friends are just kids and not soldiers even the empire wants them to be.
And to be honest: If Noah would give credit to Ciel, he would first have to admit that she exists and being part of such a fishy empire it is best to not give to many information about yourself. Yes, he is part of the system, but who wants to be loyal to a country who wanted to kill you for being a magic user not so long ago and now holds you captive and froces you to do things without asking you, whether you want to or not... (And Noah doesn't want to that's for sure.)
Hopefully, cutting out Noah and getting direct access to Ciel will never happen to Veda and the empire as this would probably end in destruction, pain and fire for the rest of the world. :D

24598: Seb - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 3:56 PM

It's good to see they really think things through

I think they might need the lady who Magicks weapons, she might have one to stop spells if thrown on the spellcaster

24599: Whispers of Sorrow - Saturday, February 13 2021 - 11:50 PM

@UnknownID: They should still be capable of beating up some other kid, Jamal could well be able to solo this in all honesty. They may need to counter more than just the cats of course, but hopefully Cherri, Fuuka and Mr Kimberly will be reinforcing them soon.

Why be loyal the empire? Well perhaps because it's a democracy and normal magicless people can achieve high office? Also: Reaving armies of magic users would gleefully impose magic wielding overlords on the unwilling populace without the empire being there to stop it (see the lands of the recently engoldened mage baron for an example of this). The downside is the enthusiasm for the death penalty, but that could be (and arguably is being) reformed. Also, Noah's mother disowned him for being a magic user, loyally serving the empire might just be a way to change her mind.

As for Ciel, you're condemning her to enslavement (and ill-treatment) by Noah. I for one hope she is freed, becomes a real girl, *with* the wish making power and that Noah gets to enjoy life as a spirit (which may actually be his hearts desire, no physical presence, no one he'd have to talk to, I can honestly seem him wishing for that).

And in case you haven't noticed, the rest of the world is terrible, a little destruction, pain and fire may improve the situation, if it even stands out against the background noise.

24600: Whispers of Sorrow - Sunday, February 14 2021 - 12:20 AM

@UnknownID: I forgot to add: Also, on the keeping secrets front, there's a big difference between Noah keeping his power a secret (for various reasons) and keeping a person a secret and then cutting her off from the World. It may be that Ciel is incapable of being bothered by the way Noah treats her. But if Ciel objects to her present situation and does something about it? Then good for her.

24601: UnknownID - Sunday, February 14 2021 - 5:16 AM

@Whisper of Sorrow: Sorting out a plan and searching for a way with less harm also on the enemy's side, is a good thing to do. It shows, the kids aren't completely corrupted by the empire yet. And to be honest. The cats are only there because they captured the kids in the first place.

From a non-magic user perspective, supporting the empire is clearly a great thing, but for me it doesn't seem like it is from a magic user perspective. They force you to use your powers for their own good with death being the only alternative if I remember correctly. Not a system I would want to support as a mage.... :/

For Ciel and Noah. From my point of you it's more like a give and take. They are both not the best for each other. Also the idea of Ciel being freed and living a "normal" live as a girl sounds nice at first, but there is still the potential for her being truely evil. And you don't want to free a truely evil person. Eventhough the world is already a really bad place it still can get worth...

Of course Noah isn't nice to Ciel by ignoring her, but it's not like he actively chosen this situation. Noah is an true introvert person and as such he cannot bear having someone else around him all the time. Additionally, Ciel isn't the easiest person to have around you. She annoys him often and tries to make him do things, he doesn't want to do. That's not nice.

24616: Whispers of Sorrow - Monday, February 15 2021 - 11:55 PM

@UnknownID: And if the delinquent sprogs hadn't decided to attack and kidnap the better behaved sprogs, they wouldn't be prisoners. Alex is still missing. Gaz is still in hospital!

The empire is reforming, changing its treatment of magic users for the better. This isn't the time to be ruining things for everyone, the well being of future generations of magic users is at stake here.

You could say that about anyone. Noah, Cherry, Felix, Hevel... any of them cloud turn out to be truly evil theoretically speaking. It's the same reasoning you'd use to excuse rounding up all the magic users and having them shot. Also: Ciel could just as easily be the most noble saint in history.

Cruel is the word I'd use to describe Noah's treatment of Ciel. He may not have intended to wish a slave into existence, but he did. He can't avoid his responsibility for that. And she has to ask him for anything and everything, including any and all human contact. The problem with Noah-Ciel relations... is Noah. As it is with Noah-people relations generally. He won't do *anything* without being forced.

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