20773: Bisected - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 3:26 AM
Ciel is here to help.
20774: The_Squished_Elf - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 5:12 AM
I just keep liking Jamal's character more and more. He's sassy.
20775: Pablo360 - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 5:56 AM
Good plan. “Maybe the guys who would have wanted to kill us twenty months ago will just change their minds once we've proven to be strong.†Isn't that basically Karkat's plan to become a Threshecutioner in Homestuck? And while he never got a chance to go through with it, let's not kid ourselves; we all know how that *would* have worked out.
20776: Tomtomy - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 12:06 PM
Now that the empire is planning for a magical army, it's only a matter of time before the painter is found and dealt with. Even if it wouldn't be now, when the clnext soldiers become experienced, trying to escape them in the city would become more and more dangerous.
20777: noname - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 3:25 PM
Both sides present compelling arguments... On one side, yeah, the empire may very well return to their kill-all-magic-user policies once the magic users have outlived their immediate use, so going into hiding may be safer compared to staying in their service... On the other hand, betraying the empire is GUARANTEED to make them put a price on your head, and what kinda life is the one of a fugitive in hiding, anyway? And, for that matter; how many friends and family members are you endangering by going into hiding?
20778: Violet - Wednesday, October 2 2019 - 5:43 PM
Honestly, I probably would've gone with these guys.
20779: Chameon - Thursday, October 3 2019 - 1:08 AM
My opinion in the matter.
This is a situation with no truly good answers for these kids. Jamal does play his hand correctly however, given that he saw the giant green ghost. Frankly, they are being watched, and as such cannot speak plainly, furthermore, the kids don't seem to -know- about said giant green ghost. The options are to speak as 'brainwashed and loyal' or to IMMEDIATELY inform the kids and potentially get an ally they care about killed.
The former allows him to get out some aggression on his captors, and requires him to trust in the national military force. The latter requires him to expect more from his captors then his empire, that he's been raised in with all the propaganda from.
Personally, I would probably have chosen the same option in his scenario, especially since the kid was probably 'sacrificed' explicitly to save me. Especially especially since it was apparent these kids were, while necessarily more skilled then me, clearly not more skilled then at least one of my allies, which, given the numbers provided, seemed to place things more on the side I'd been sent with.
20780: UnknownID - Thursday, October 3 2019 - 2:13 AM
Isn't it nice of Ciel to wake Noah before he gets shot? :)
20781: Guest - Thursday, October 3 2019 - 2:22 PM
Then there is the social change aspect. It is cruel to put these kids in that position, but if they are seen by the public as the brave new force making up for their Evil corruption by protecting the common folk, the, well, yeah, The Empire could ruin all that with a quick round of head loppings and a smear campaign of how they were evil all along. But if all goes well, then greater acceptance for magical boys and girls. If they all up and leave at the first chance, then The Empire can either say that magic will always betray it, or that its policies are bad. When has any empire ever considered its policies bad?
20784: Cluedrew - Friday, October 4 2019 - 5:16 AM
I don't like the Empire and I am fairly confident Malhart and the kids are better people. Still sticking with the Empire gives a chance of getting magic-users legalized, or at least not an crime worthy of execution. Its a long shot but you either got to beat-em or join-em (change from outside or inside) and I don't think even the runaways and the child soldiers would be in a position to beat the Empire.
Ciel is here to help.
I just keep liking Jamal's character more and more. He's sassy.
Good plan. “Maybe the guys who would have wanted to kill us twenty months ago will just change their minds once we've proven to be strong.†Isn't that basically Karkat's plan to become a Threshecutioner in Homestuck? And while he never got a chance to go through with it, let's not kid ourselves; we all know how that *would* have worked out.
Now that the empire is planning for a magical army, it's only a matter of time before the painter is found and dealt with. Even if it wouldn't be now, when the clnext soldiers become experienced, trying to escape them in the city would become more and more dangerous.
Both sides present compelling arguments... On one side, yeah, the empire may very well return to their kill-all-magic-user policies once the magic users have outlived their immediate use, so going into hiding may be safer compared to staying in their service... On the other hand, betraying the empire is GUARANTEED to make them put a price on your head, and what kinda life is the one of a fugitive in hiding, anyway? And, for that matter; how many friends and family members are you endangering by going into hiding?
Honestly, I probably would've gone with these guys.
My opinion in the matter.
This is a situation with no truly good answers for these kids. Jamal does play his hand correctly however, given that he saw the giant green ghost. Frankly, they are being watched, and as such cannot speak plainly, furthermore, the kids don't seem to -know- about said giant green ghost. The options are to speak as 'brainwashed and loyal' or to IMMEDIATELY inform the kids and potentially get an ally they care about killed.
The former allows him to get out some aggression on his captors, and requires him to trust in the national military force. The latter requires him to expect more from his captors then his empire, that he's been raised in with all the propaganda from.
Personally, I would probably have chosen the same option in his scenario, especially since the kid was probably 'sacrificed' explicitly to save me. Especially especially since it was apparent these kids were, while necessarily more skilled then me, clearly not more skilled then at least one of my allies, which, given the numbers provided, seemed to place things more on the side I'd been sent with.
Isn't it nice of Ciel to wake Noah before he gets shot? :)
Then there is the social change aspect. It is cruel to put these kids in that position, but if they are seen by the public as the brave new force making up for their Evil corruption by protecting the common folk, the, well, yeah, The Empire could ruin all that with a quick round of head loppings and a smear campaign of how they were evil all along. But if all goes well, then greater acceptance for magical boys and girls. If they all up and leave at the first chance, then The Empire can either say that magic will always betray it, or that its policies are bad. When has any empire ever considered its policies bad?
I don't like the Empire and I am fairly confident Malhart and the kids are better people. Still sticking with the Empire gives a chance of getting magic-users legalized, or at least not an crime worthy of execution. Its a long shot but you either got to beat-em or join-em (change from outside or inside) and I don't think even the runaways and the child soldiers would be in a position to beat the Empire.